Curse

Takkun[CRNR] · Apr 24, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

http://forums.g4tv.com/

Someone has to set some of these people straight as far as the briliiance of Guild Wars... If you type in guild wars in the search box, youwill find that in just about every thread there are a bunch of idiots who pretend to know a thing or two about guild wars, but are as stupid as a rock...

Jaythen Tyradel · Apr 24, 2005, 09:22 PM // 21:22

some of the posters have had bad experiences, but some of thier complaints have been fixed.
Others found out that the game isnt for them.

There are a few "trolls" and "haters" who just want to knock the game because they can.

Silmor · Apr 24, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

There are plenty of pro-GW people stupid as a rock, chanting their fanatical partyline mantras without any tolerance for criticism of their beloved game.

Those would be the only ones flocking to such a forum to 'set others straight', in effect only making Guild Wars look worse to anyone with a glimpse of intelligence.

So let's be sensible and not invade other fora.

Ander Deathblade · Apr 24, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

I completely agree with Silmor.

GW is a good game and I love it, but it's not perfect at all, and I'm sure there are many people who will like World of Warcraft better. I could even definitely see their reasons for liking it better.

Adaria · Apr 24, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

I've seen GW haters and lovers and I'll be honest i love GW, and don't care for WoW or EQ2, Because I haven't played them yet so I'm impartial.

A few people I know have been hooked to EQ2, WoW, etc etc, and kind of refuse to try something new, afraid it'll be better or they'll like it more. Me, I just refuse to pay monthly fees to play a game that i might not play ALL the time. Ok, well maybe i'll get Matrix Online... Maybe... *drools* So tempting...

ANYWAY, I won't say guild wars is the best, but it certainly shines in the gaming world, its free, which is a big plus, and has already had alot of support.

Let people say what they will, supporters support it, haters hate it, and the ones that cling to it for dear life and worship it, worship it. We all know there are 'bad' GW fans out there, the ones here to merely bash, then there are the ones that merely worship and cling with no real reasoning, but we also know there are those that are competent, intelligent fans who may be addicted, but know how to act in-game and out of game.

So... thats just my opinion. Personally I'd get a bad impression from alot of GW fans if they acted all know-it-ally about GW and all hateful toward other MMORPGs or the like, the worst i've seen in GW so far is some slightly sexually related humor, and alot of spam for trading... XD

But yeah... thats all outta me for now XD

Jaythen Tyradel · Apr 24, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

it really comes down to preference.
Other games will have points that are good and bad.
Same with GW.
I am going with GW because I feel they are offering a better product and not charging you to keep playing the game.

Sin · Apr 24, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

It is an odd anamoly.

Why must there be people who have to share their negativity, have to try to control another's idea of what is "reasonable" and assume the right to define reality, or "being real" to others?

I have yet to comprehend the need to be discouraging to those who are encouraged and upbeat about GuildWars. So many haven't even played the game or maybe played one BWE for a half hour and are here asserting all their assumptions as a matter of fact for all the world to say is true or we must be proven wrong, albeit by being called a fanboy if that's what it takes, anything to discourage and be the proverbial prison inmate who is going to show you what prison is. However these never admitting they are merely attempting to intellectualize the game as that is the only way they can comprehend anything, such is not the case of the prison inmate but the manner between these so far as how they treat others is incredibly parallel.

It is a genuinely peculiar logic to say "my pessimism=more real," and "your optomism=unrealistic fanboism," although it is common to bullies, tyrants, and other sociapaths historically.

The name calling is the part that stikes me so odd, especially at a "fan" site for GuildWars. I guess it's just that negatively thinking people never think positively so they are jealous of those who do, even when these pessimists are in a place that is meant by the idea of a "fan" to be positive, or at least not discouraging. No the pessimists are so filled with their self-appointed duty to make sure the rest of the world fits their idea of what is "being real" they are blind to the inconsideration they are showing others, the fans at the fansite who are enthused, stoked, hyped, etc. based on their personal experiential emotional response to their own sense senses of what that fan loves thinks is good, is nice, is great to them--yes responding as the game was intended to lead them to respond in designing the game to appeal to a market. The pessimist is unaware none of these fans is here to challenge their ideas about "reality," or the infamous "normal," in any way pro or con, they do not realize we are no threat to the pessimists and their pessimism or their choice to dwell in it.

We the excited about GuildWars are so because it feels good to be, and we like that feeling, that's all. Sorry if pessimism precludes feeling so good without putting something down or discouraging another's encoragement but oh well. We still feel good about our game, and it is our game because we feel so good about it, all others to the contrary for sake of some assumed claim of intellectual or other supremacy notwithstanding, merely because intelligence of that magnitude never feels good unless portrayed by Einstein, Tesla, Rife, Saulk, Bell, The Wright Brothers, Westinghouse, Rothschild, Pope Innocent III, or many other genunine historically known geniuses with intellect in fact.

I know this is a blow to the self proclaimed "fanbois" of reality, "fanbois" of intellectual certainty being a passport to the right of oppression by discouragement but the real geniuses, had fun with life and were considerate of others enthusiasms. They chose to have fun without their intellect because fun is an emotion, not an intellectual state. One cannot have fun in the cold clinicalness of intellectual supremacy.

These historical figures had no idea they would be so influential, we gave them that immortality after the fact. Why? Because they weren't so self-appointing, so self-aggrandizing as to see their ability some sort of rite of passage that gives them a correlative right of supremacy to dictate what is and is not real to anyone else be it one or the world. Many of them gave their gifts to the world, to civilization for the sake of it. Their humility earned them the deepest respect anyone could give. You who thrive on the intellect should only hope the future past your time would receive you similarly when your life's mission is to discourage others in their beliefs by their own right.

One, especially the self-proclaimed intellectual ones of these modern times, could learn a thing or two about living from those who have provided most of their modern conveniences. In a way it is a debt these modern day "fanbois" of the intellect owe to the past, owe to the history they are attempting to revise merely by taking a pomp and circumstance approach to their respectable abilities that only discounts them.

Nothing further.

Mslynx · Apr 24, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

I took your look,and ya it was sad. Seems to me that the peeps there are just assuming things instead of going to GW site to check the game out. The good information at G4 is mixed so much with bad, that it is hard for anyone to sort it out.
Hopefully my posts set some folks to thinking. Or really made them mad. I did come off as a fan, but oh well...It's done

Peace!

Linkie · Apr 24, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Although I'm not too big a fan of bashing wow (for people that like the classic mmorgp, it's a great game, no one can argue that), I do enjoy the occasional humerous WoW quotes. So I found a couple fun ones at that site:

Quote:

Guild wars
#1 This was even more repetitve than eq2
#2 Things were impossible to find, because the mini map was useless
#3 Enemies were rare and scattered
#4 Dueling was awful because playing other ppl was extremely weird and felt awkward
#5 Most of my skills when capped were useless
#6 There was no diversity to ones character, such as making him/her different build
#7 Little amount of items
#8 Grouping was a pain and interface was the crapiest thing ever
#9 There were not many choices of different places to go to

Quote:

Yeah I so wanna play a crappy D2 clone!

(I presume that was irony)

Quote:

Where are mounts? Why do I have to walk everywhere?

Quote:

I'd like to be an orc... no, I'd like to RP an elf... no no no... a druid is more my style. OOPS! I can only be human here. Shucks. (pardon the sarcasm guys, it just sounded funny... but I think I made my point) Almost ANY other game out there lets you play different races.

(I don't think he knows what being different means..)

Quote:

Hold up for a sec. How can you have a MMO without a fee? I thought that money was used to patch and keep hackers away. GW must be buggy and must have alot of hackers. It sounds impossible to have a MMO free.

Quote:

If I ever wanted to play GW I could just pirate it. Considering it's free and there's no credit cards involved, I can easily break my way in, not to mention cheat like a mofo.

Sin · Apr 24, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Linkie those are priceless.

especially

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Where are mounts? Why do I have to walk everywhere?

It seems like Jaywalking from Jay Leno's show but about GuildWars.

Adaria · Apr 24, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

The dude who says he can pirate it has no idea what he's talking about.

Thats funny...

Since you have to have a key and all...

and since it would be hard to get a generator for things like this...

He looks really... ignorant, but anyway enough of my commentary, I don't want to seem like I am bashing him... ... ... too much >.>;

Nishio · Apr 24, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Maybe those people just haven't discovered the joys of Gwen. She is what keeps me going. Some day I'll find her! Some day!!!

Starsky-sama · Apr 24, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

the first quote is pretty funny.

they do realize that things are called "betas" for a reason...

did they think this was the full game?

and are they stating they've already done everything possible in the bwes.

simply funny.

Diamondspider · Apr 24, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Sin

It is an odd anamoly.

Why must there be people who have to share their negativity, have to try to control another's idea of what is "reasonable" and assume the right to define reality, or "being real" to others? ....

The perspective in your post seems to be skewed. You imply that positive statements are always good regardless of their accuracy and that negative statements are always "bullying" regardless of their accuracy.

So, sure, if being real means being honest and accurate then that is usually considered to be the basis for discussion in all cases.

For me, being a "real" fan of anything means seeing it for what it is without the need to "hype" it. When I see "hype" it doesn't strike me as excitement, it strikes me as part of a pitch from a snake oil salesman.

People actually do get hyped about snake oil, healing crystals, alien visitations, and all sorts of things that could very much benefit from being a bit more real.

On the other hand people do, indeed, have a tendency to get negative overly quickly in many cases and before they really understand what they are talking about. Ironically, this is usually no more than fanboyims for something ELSE with the object of negativity acting as the strawman to prop-up their own passion. So, this is a good example of how being very excited about something can equally lead to both positive and negative statements regarding e.g. a game.

Personally, I look for intelligent discussion on forums. And discussions means having various perspectives.

Perhaps some are looking for a "back pat club" where everyone sits around and tells eachother how smart they are to be part of this absolutely amazing, unique, and fantastic new whatever and that is cool.

The bottom line is that if being "real" means being honest and open-minded, then yes, I'm all for it. I can't see the value in dishonestly and prejudice.

Finally, for those who come to forums looking for information and attempting to decide if a game is for them, I'll leave-off with a little story.

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You have two friends. Both friends are car nuts; they know a ton about cars, get car magazines, etc..

You are in the market for new wheels. Now, one friend is always excited about many new cars coming out. Everytime something a bit new is released he is bouncing off the walls and raving about how great it is.

The other friend is more restrained. Rarely does he get really excited about a car but he's glad to discuss the pros and cons of each new car in detail; compare them to one another; ask questions of what you like; and recommend something based on your own personal preference and what you're looking for for your new wheels.

Now, which friend are you going to rely more on when it comes time to buy?

Balanced and honest analysis has advantages over passion. It isn't that there is anything wrong with passion, only that when looking for the truth about something, more cool-headed approaches often yield more reliable results.

Silmor · Apr 24, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Sin, are you seriously stating that pessimistic intellectuals holding back the creative efforts of optimistic intellectuals has any correlation with pessimist consumers trying to discourage over-enthusiastic consumers from the inherently arrogant and disrespectful act of 'setting people straight'?

If you want to draw an interesting parallel with historic events, something like the crusades might be more appropriate for a situation like this. Two sides convinced they were right, both sides lost badly whenever they went to try to force their opinion on the other.

I have yet to see a WoW vs. GW discussion stay respectful and even-sided on this very forum. I'm certain those people who let themselves be guided by the arguments on that forum instead of forming their own opinion by visiting the Guild Wars site or even trying the game out will still find their own ways of having fun, so I can't see any need for trying to 'convert' them to our ways of having fun.

FrodoFraggins · Apr 25, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Who cares what they say, do you really want those morons ingame?

phil · Apr 25, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Adaria

Ok, well maybe i'll get Matrix Online... Maybe... *drools* So tempting...

XD

NOOOO STAY WAY FROM THERE.I did beta and retail all you do is hit 50 and wait for them to tell a poorly done matrix story.

Lansing Kai Don · Apr 25, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Silmor

You're discouraging discouragement in the name of one's intellectual superiority in the name of your intellectual superiority. If you disrespect that so much, why resort to it yourself?
We? I must have missed the poll.

Here's what's humurous to me. Three obviously grown individuals who admit to being a fan for the same game... arguing over which way of personifying themselves to represent the game is the best way. You know, I could use a large vocabulary (yes Sin, I know you're doing it to make a point), but I prefer to stay in a realm that every user can read and comprehend what they're reading. Proving you know more larger or eloquent words than someone else does not prove you're intellectually superior. If this is the case how do you explain autism, or those that haven't been taught the proper English dialect yet, can do differential equations by the time their six years old. I'm horrible at English grammar, and it shows in my GPA, but I've never failed to get less than an A in an engineering/mathematics/science course. This also works in reverse for those great in English.

Back on track, my point is you three are arguing over who is making the best impression to newcomers... here's the good news. You're all right. Let's face it, as Diamond stated.. some look for intellectual discussion. We provide that here. Others look for how emotionally appealing the game is (Sin).. we provide that here too. It's even safe to say that without the combination of these two, the game wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is. In fact, for me, it's a balance of these two. The intellectual discussion provokes the details of the game that are both good and bad to be represented and gives the new users an idea of what to expect. The pure fanboy aspect, shows that it's not only possible to get excited about the game... but there are so many people posting on forum just in anticipation of BWE's and now the release.

I think it is safe to say that the best answer to this debate is: to each his own.

Lansing Kai Don

P.S. If you disagree, please feel free to reply. Maybe I'm wrong.

P.P.S. While myself tends to lean towards Diamond's view. I note that Sin has made a valid point in his posts, that we need to be careful in how we portray ourselves. We are the representatives of this game, if we're not excited for it... then how do we think the new users will view it? I realize my posts don't have that touch of flair that others do, that's why I stick in the Q&A and Technician's Corner mostly.

Dreamsmith · Apr 25, 2005, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Agreed!

There are passionate people in the world, and there are dispassionate people as well. The human race has both because it gets by better with both -- each makes up for what the other lacks, and society as a whole advances best with an abundance of both, each contributing their own unique talents to the whole. Kinda like a team in Guild Wars, with individual members doing their own specialized part to advance the team, because it works better with each of them specializing in a role rather than them all being generalists, or worse, them all having the same specialty.

Thus, this argument about which is the best approach for the community as a whole is like arguing about whether it's better to have a team of all warriors or all monks. Pointless, neither approach is anywhere close to the best. We need some of each, and other types as well. We need our passionate and our dispassionate, our optimists and our pessimists and our realists and our whateverists. It's a community, not a single-minded entity. (When a group appears single-minded, it's usually because they only have a single mind between them.)

The worst way to represent the game would be for all of us to represent it the same way. That'd just be scary...

Silmor · Apr 25, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

Lansing Kai Don, although I mostly agree about the 'to each his own' aspect, I think it should be applied on both ends of the deal. 'To each his own' should also apply to the people writing uninformed opinions about Guild Wars on another forum (they're entitled to that, no matter how stupid or annoying we consider it), which is why any call to go off and somehow try to 'convert' them seems unwise to me. We indeed need to be careful in how we portray ourselves, but I feel a middle ground between not caring at all and the rabid 'fanboyism' that incites others to invade forums to 'spread the gospel' is best - neither extreme is good.

Sin called this way of thinking 'pessimistic' (even though that has nothing to do with it), and used that to post a generic lofty rant about why pessimism is bad - then uses it to turn this into a debate about what the best way to impress the community is, shoving me and Diamondspider into a side we're not in at all. Something done out of enthusiasm simply isn't always a good thing, as Diamondspider explained very well I think, so the claim that we stomp on all enthusiasm is just wrong; we're trying to discourage what we feel is a wrong expression of enthusiasm.

Some people feel calling others to go to that forum and explain to them how Guild Wars really works is still a decent way to express enthusiasm, but I've experienced this often enough on other forums, and the result rarely has anything to do with enthusiasm - for every person posting there out of genuine enthusiasm there will be five posting because they feel better than those people because of the game they support. That forum feels upset over being invaded, and the original forum sets a bad name for itself. I don't think anyone would appreciate fifty World of Warcraft enthusiasts flooding into this forum to say Guild Wars sucks and that we should all play World of Warcraft instead, only to leave the next minute, so I think we shouldn't encourage doing that sort of thing to another forum.

[Last paragraph removed by Dreamsmith. Silmor, I feel your pain, but I don't want to see the flames fanned any further than they already have been. Besides, the message this paragraph referenced has been deleted.]